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Being real

kristin
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Re: Being real

Dear @Uggbootdiva  @Former-Member @Rick & Anne ( @PeppiPatty )

Thanks for your lovely supportive messages. I am quite exhausted and emotionally wrung out to be honest. I am struggling to work out what my next step is to protect my daughter from being subjected to this abuse on a regular basis. I don't know whether to report it to the police, or child protection. To be honest I'm at least as worried about then stirring up a hornet's nest as a I am with being dismissed.

I saw my psych this morning, then a kind friend met me afterwards and we went for a long walk - both of which helped a lot.

Hopefully I will get some sleep tonight! 

Kind regards,

Kristin

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Dearest Kristen,

My suggestion is only my thoughts of an outsider;

Listen to your kind friend. She knows you honey.
I'de call child protection myself but can certainly understand your


Exhaustion
Emotionally wrung out.

You will not be dismissed but am always mindful that things are easier if there's a friend when you make the call.

Take care Kristin, thinking about you,
Anne x

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@kristin 

 

Hi Kristin

I'm so very sorry you have all this on your mind at present.

Advice is cheap and easy to come by 

First of all you have made your home safe for everyone by removing this man form your immediate life. Bravo!

Time for a breath. Maybe even a few.

You have time right now cos he's not got his own place with a specific room for your daughter, so you you not need to acquiece to any visitation.

How does your little kiddie feel about all this? Does she want to see him for visits? Is she frighted and wary of him at all? 

I guesss most importantly has this happened before? If so, you know what to do.

Reporting to child protection is an option if your fear the worst and is definately useful for starting a file on him. If won't hurt him if he never repeats the behaviour. No hurt no foul.

Don't forget about you.

You are emotionally very tired you said, and you know that life becomes harder when we are worn down.

So, walks by the river, time with friends and peaceful. calming time alone is always handy.Try to keep in mind that there are quite a few of us who care very much for you and for your health.

 

I'm here for you. I'll try not to give advice and I am ok at just listening(reading?) and going uh huh, if that's what you need.

I know you'll be ok and you'll always put your kiddies first. That's what a good parent does, just don't forget to self parent as kindly.

 

Take good care of you my sweet friend

 

Hope endures 

 

 

Rick

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@kristin 

 

Oh Yeah I small but significant giggle

 

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Hi @Rick 

Thanks so much for all your lovely thoughtful encouraging posts. I SO appreciate it! And you know my friend - your advice is never cheap or easy to come by, because it comes by your heart and that is a great gift.

Where to begin? I know I don't need to agree to contact now because of his circumstances, but I'm fairly sure he'll push for it evetnually. I am concerned that he might potentially try reporting me to CPS just because I have a MI (either out of spite or after convincing himself that he's "protecting our daughter", which he's done before - made a report to SOCIT about my older daughter a couple of years ago), and he knows they tend to be pretty horrible about parents with MIs in general. I am also worried about my little one. She misses him a lot, even though she was very distressed and frightened on Saturday night. She doesn't notice what I see - that even though she is (at times) pretty distressed about his absence, she's actually far calmer and less reactive than she was with him here.

Longer term my concern is that I will be forced to let him have contact. Something I've always been deeply committed to supporting in the past - however I have felt about him (or my ex-husband) at the time. The reason for that commitment has been the belief that it was in my children's best interest to have that contact (I know how painful it is to have no contact - I had none with my dad from 5-15 years of age). However that was on the understanding that the good bits outweighed the bad. I am now convinced that in this case the bad outweighs the good. I believe he is doing a great deal of emotional damage. He is an extremely negative passive-aggressive person. He comes across as very personable and quite charming initially, most people never see the other side of him. The reality is that this is the light side, but there is also a very dark one.

Has he been emotionally abusive before? Yes always. Has he got violent with our daughter before? Not like this - an occassional smack (whcih I'm not at all in favour of, but even I lose it enough for that on rare ocassions).

Has he done it before? Well he put his hand around my throat when he was drunk right near the beginning of our relationship. I looked him in the eye and said "take your hand off me". He did, then stormed off and walked halfway across Melbourne in the middle of the night. I believed him when he said he didn't remember it. I forgave him when I told him I nearly rang the police and he said I should have. He told me a story about silencing a woman in this way on a night raid when on one of his two tours of duty in Vietnam. It seemed to haunt him.

I have always questioned why his ex-wife never allowed him to have contact with their two children, and why they never contacted him as adults. Although I know these things do happen, and not necessarily for particularly good reasons. Now I find myself asking different questions. Like: Is this what was going on when he came back from his first tour (he signed on for a second one after a week back at home)? Did his wife have real reasons, very good reasons for cutting all contact? I do know that he arranged to sell all of his assets and put them into trust for his kids, and I think he signed the house over to his wife. He seemed to carry a lot of guilt about it which I didn't understand. Anyway a bit useless speculating on this. 

Thanks for the advice on child protection. I think I will make that call. It will have to wait unfortunately, until Monday I guess(?), as I have ECASA again tomorrow and I don't think I can cope emotionally with doing both and then have the little one on my own (my big girl's off to her dad's) for the weekend. The little one is struggling quite a bit at the moment, and is quite distressed about not seeing her dad - but in spite of that she is much calmer and more settled and co-operative at home. Which I find more than suggestive about the role his presence had in making her PTSD worse. I know it made mine worse.

Funny you mention walking by the river! I went down to the river after catching up with a friend this morning. I went seeking solace, and closeness to God. I sat on the fallen tree in the river and took up my liturgy book and bible for the first time in months. It felt good, and peaceful. It was warm today so I even started to paddle my feet in the river during the silence, and then my mobile phone fell out of my pocket into the river!

That put an end to my prayer time very abruptly! I came back to the house and stuck the iphone in a bag of rice. I thought it was stuffed. But no - it is still buzzing away every time an email arrives, it didn't even shut down with the dunking. So it will be spending a couple of days with its bed of uncooked rice in the bag, and hopefully it will be okay. A large bit of grace in an apparent disaster 🙂

I probably better hit the sack now.

But first I wanted to share a couple of my "mantras",  which Anne mentioned. I use the first one a lot these days especially when I feel frightened or overwhelmed. I sang it over and over for about an hour on the way down to see my psych on Wednesday, because I was so heart-sore I wouldn't have been able to drive otherwise - I would have been blinded by tears. The second one got me through after I split up with him 3 & 1/2 years ago - after finding out he'd got me into nearly $10,000 of debt and put my chances of getting our own home for the kids at risk. The girls called it my morning prayer, I would go up the bank above our rented house on the side of Donna Buang and sing it every morning.

 

Jesus your light is shining within us

Let not my doubts nor the darkness speak to me.

Jesus your light is shining within us

May our hearts always welcome your love.

 

Glory be to you O God!

Father, Son and Holy Spirit

One God and mother of all creation

As in the beginning so now and forever

Amen Amen

 

Blessings to you my friend, as you so generously bless the rest of us.

Hope doesn't wear out - even when we are weary - it endures!

Kind regards,

Kristin

 

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@kristin if he hit her as a slap with an open palm between the knee snd the shoulder without leaving a mark (ie bruise) then it is not child abuse under the law.

I don't know the circumstances and you certainly do not need to justify your decision to anyone on this forum. but I completely understand not wanting to stir up anything. it us a big step to report him and he will probably use your MI against you. doesnt mean you shouldn't but it's not that black and white is it?

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Dearest Kristin,

You have a 'centre.'

Can you print out your last message?

I'm mindful of that common saying in that ...............poor sweet women who are in DV trouble are unfortunately out of touch with the world.
Isn't it interesting that you took @rick's advice and went down the river? To nature........

you can do this. You can be a testament for other MI women. Think of you and stay creative.


I remember:

When my youngest son was really ill, I didn't feel anything for over 15 years. I worked like you can't believe, paid huge amounts for tutoring, available to pick the kids up from school. Spent hundreds on therapy for my children and myself.....but didn't feel anything.

When both children moved out of home, one to my Dad's home and one to the other side of Australia, I was married to my darling husband, I thought I experienced what he was going through with courts and hospital, I called my oldest brother and said, I have never experienced so much STress...my brother said, yes you have.

after about another 2 years, when I was alone, in my home.....All that stress hit me in the face.

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Hi @kristin 

Gosh, you've been through a lot. You are a strong and courageous polar bear, keeping you and your children safe. 

Many eons ago I worked in family services, and found that people many people were quite fearful about getting protective services involved. I don't blame them, who wants to potentially risk severing a parent-child relationship? But in my observations, protective services need substantial evidence before they can take drastic measures (like removing children), it also depends on how imminent any risk is (i.e., are they still living with a perpetrator?). As Rick pointed out, sometimes reporting it to just start a file can be helpful - just in case anymore future incidents arise. 

Another option could be getting family services involved. They're kind of like the go-between Child Protection services. They provide support/advice in the community when Child Protection isn't needed.  The first one that comes to mind is Anglicare. I think they may be able to provide support with access too, but I'm not 100% certain if they do this anymore. 

You are a great example of how hope endures during tough times. 

 

 

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Dear friends,

I called Child First this afternoon, with a friend there for moral support.

I hadn't realised quite how scared i was before I tried to ring them on my own. Anyway it was good, and they have touched base this evening and will ring me back Monday.

It is such a relief. I have worked with Anglicare before, when I had to kick him out 3.5 years ago after I found out he'd put us in nearly $10000 of debt, which I ended up paying (tho he eventually paid me back). So I am feeling ok about it. We will see if they can help with any of the issues. I hope so.

Kindest regards, 

Kristin

 

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Dear Cherry Bomb,

Good reading your message.

Isn't Kristin cool because she actually listens ( reads ) advice and takes it onboard?? Only the stuff that is relevant to her though :0)
.....Kristin is so creative and that will reflect on her children, you think?

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