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Re: Awareness of Women's Mental Health

Hi @utopia

 

It's really great to hear that you believe it's nice to receive praise and to be able to accept it - you have worked really hard and taken a terrible chance to get past a really bad place 

 

And I think it's pretty normal to feel you may slip back - in fact - I think it's a good idea to have that in your back pocket - so to speak - it's like being prepared - making sure it doesn't catch you unawares

 

It's like quitting smoking in a way - I know I quit so often I wondered if I would ever make it - but when the time was right I did quit - 

 

And I am pretty sure you have tried to quit - but here's the thing - every time you try and quit - even if you fail - it's one step closer - and with your depression you have made it out of your shadows for now and hopefully for good

 

Maybe having all of us here understanding and your Mum on board too - this is a huge step - maybe you have made it

 

Let's hope so anyway

 

And I am up to praise you - I think it's great - and I know you have other issues as well to overcome

 

But along with everyone else here I only know you through your writing but I read something that is being written by a woman who has been in the dark side of the world and learned a lot - that you have insight into your condition - something happened in your past that really tore you down and work cover made it harder for you - like you could pull your socks up because they wanted you to

 

No one would need to be told if it was possible - so often people have it wrong

 

I wish my Mum had been able to be proud of me now and again - it would have been so great but here's my idea - I saw my mother not long before she died - before she had the stroke - and she wept and I wiped her eyes and stroked her hands and I could see a woman with regrets

 

I am really so glad your mother is there for you - you deserve that much - I would like to know your Mum - okay - I would like to know you - but we all need the privacy to write so openly about ourselves

 

Dec

Re: Awareness of Women's Mental Health

Thank you  @Owlunar

It would be great if we could all be given praise on who we've become.  Or have our parents or others that hurt us say sorry. And that's not always possible.  That's why this Forum is so special.  Others here and understand what we are saying.  And that is a blessing 

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@Owlunar You asked the question, " What is truth?" I have asked myself that same question. Also What is right and what is wrong? Different for many, maybe all of us. Then I wondered if it was a move towards non judgment, and my thoughts went something like, if we can move into non judgment on truth etc, would it be possible to move to non judgment towards ourselves. A hope, not a reality for me. That could move us past self blame. I have no idea of this being relevant or not. In saying all that, I did think that I would have reached a stage of wisdom, I was told it came with years!!!! I have more unanswered questions. I am still making it up as I go along, just like it did in my 20s 30s etc. I mentioned it to someone and her reply amazed me, she said, maybe that's the wisdom!!!!!!

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Shame Expressed as Self-Blame: The Trauma Response We All Need to Understand
Cathy S Harris CATHY S HARRIS 21/02/1611:07 PM

(This post is from the handout I offered for my presentation at the 20th Annual Conference of the Institute on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, August, 2015 Please visit The Role of Self-Blame in Survival of Childhood Trauma for a PDF)

A primary psychological effect of trauma
When we acknowledge our client's victimization, with "It wasn't your fault" we extend compassion. However, when we understand that "Internalized Blame of Self" is a natural coping defense that helped the child survive adverse circumstances in which she/he had no other resource than magical thinking, we give that client a tool and a place to start the healing process. This is because, in adulthood, "IBS" is no longer helpful, but actually compels the person to self-sabotage and is a factor in symptomology of depression, anxiety and other conditions.

When humans experience trauma, they feel as if their life is threatened; there may be an element of horror and shock, helplessness ensues. After the event or circumstance, a victim needs to recover from feeling vulnerable and out of control of the environment. One way we do this is to engage in self-blame: “it was my fault”.

Not a bedtime story
To illustrate how Internalized Blame of Self (IBS) develops, we considered a story:

Tommy is 4 years old. At night he hears his parents fighting. Daddy yells at Mommy “why are his toys always in the driveway?!” One day Tommy comes home from pre-school and Mommy tells him “Daddy’s not going to live with us anymore”.

What does Tommy think?

“My toys are in the driveway. It’s my fault.”

How does this help Tommy (or Mary) cope? "Maybe if I keep my bike put away ‘I’ll be good enough' --daddy will come back!" Thus, a pattern of thinking becomes a way of life, for many persons. Children may become adults who are always trying to be 'good enough'. This can mean the grown-up strives to be smart enough, pretty enough, strong enough, rich enough, religious enough—whatever the particular “enough” fits in his (or her) family!

dejected child 2

MAGICAL THINKING is the child’s sole resource, thus the only way to get a vital sense of psychological control: “I’m bad”, “I caused it”, “I deserve it” (the bad treatment; conversely, “I don’t deserve” a good life.) In addition, the child is help to deny or avoid the feelings of devastation and helplessness that result from the trauma.

Not ‘good enough’ syndrome
The standard created is subjective and the survivor can never BE good ENOUGH.

When this self-blame becomes generalized to areas of life in addition to the trauma experience we can speak of Internalized Self-Blame or IBS. Self-blame can grow into low self-esteem and even self-hate, especially in the case of persons who are victims of childhood abuse. The self-blame drives negative, self-sabotaging behavior causing persons to live unfulfilled lives and causing some to become hurtful to others when they become adults in power. Dr. Eduardo Duran, when speaking of Native American populations, calls it, Internalized Oppression. For African-Americans, it can be called Internalized Racism. Staying stuck in IBS can motivate addictive behavior, self-harm, unconscious seeking out of violent relationships, inappropriate caretaking (“codependence"), unfinished education, under and un-employment, and general unhappiness. image-of-a-sad-child-6360

IBS is indicated by the following examples:

Elementary school teacher/physical abuse survivor expresses, “I was an ‘A’ student but I should have gotten ‘A+s’ on my report cards”. Practitioner asks, “Are you allowed to give ‘A+s’ on report cards?” Teacher answers, “No, but I should have gotten them.”

Incest survivor: “I’m worthless” expressed by a highly acclaimed scientist.

Incest survivor: “I was lower than a dog” adult speaking of herself as a child.

Physical abuse and incest survivor, aware of IBS: “I feel guilty when I tell my mom I’m not going to drink. I’ll be the only one at the family reunion who doesn’t drink and I’ll make them feel bad.”

When a survivor can’t recognize the cognitively distorted thinking that indicates IBS, treatment is impeded. A treatment provider may express “It wasn’t your fault” but the survivor will not be able to accept this compassionate statement because the IBS was and is a coping skill that helped him/her to survive trauma. When the client cannot extend compassion toward him/herself, he/she cannot extend it to others. A client may be perpetually stuck in “yeah, but”. This mind-set may lead to continued negative behavior in support of IBS.

IT’S ALL ABOUT RESOURCES

The child had no resources other than magical thinking to cope with and defend against the imposition of adult energy upon him/her. This adult energy may have come in the form of abuse, neglect or unintended harm, but the child cannot distinguish motive. In his/her mind, “it’s all about me”. Magical thinking leads a child to believe that he/she causes everything in his/her world to happen. “It’s raining because I’m sad.” Piaget recognized the expression of magical thinking in his developmental theory in discussion of ages 2-7: “preoperational stage”. Adults who stay entrenched in this defense have difficulty regulating emotion and tolerating distress in relationships. The childlike thinking causes him/her to think in terms of “it’s my fault” but the more adult, rational aspects of his/her personality don’t completely accept this explanation. Thus the adult becomes confused, angry, anxious, depressed and incapable of expressing compassion for him/herself and others, to varying degrees. This lack of compassion leads to self-harm and other “acting-out” behavior.

The adult in the victimizing scenario has many available resources. His/her brain is developed (ostensibly); there are choices for education, work, legal prospects, social opportunities, physical abilities. In practical terms, the child cannot, first of all, because the brain is not developed fully, say to the adult, “Mom/Dad, you’re hurting me and I know that’s not about me—you have issues!” Even if the child could recognize that he/she is not the cause of the treatment he/she is receiving, he/she cannot walk out the door, drive a car down the street, rent an apartment and get a college education or a job while waiting out mom/dad’s problems.

Humans are wired for survival. The child cannot allow him/herself to feel completely vulnerable and helpless. This could result in becoming so overwhelmed that the nervous system would shut down, causing the child to become catatonic or autistic-like. The child has no choice but to use the only resource he/she has: magical thinking, “it’s all about me”. In addition, if the victimizer reinforces the belief that “it’s all my fault” with, “I’m hurting you because you’re a bad kid”; the developing adult will become mired in IBS.

HOW CAN WE HELP? helping up

Educational work explaining that IBS was a coping skill that helped him/her survive impossible circumstances is a first step. Most persons who seek help for depression, anxiety, Post-Traumatic Stress symptoms and other conditions are astonished to hear that what has now become a “low self-esteem” issue was originally, the vehicle for survival. It was a smart thing to do and the only way available to a child. Offering this explanation is validating and affirming and it can help the person “put 2 and 2” together. Even in crisis settings, a brief explanation can pave the way to healing via psychotherapy, group work, self-help and other recovery work. In any case, offering this information can begin to stop the re-traumatizing experience of non- and in-validation of the person’s history.

Cognitive work is essential to assist the adult to reframe the labeling and the “shoulds” that indicate a lack of belief in the self. It is a basic tool and can be re-visited over and over again, as the client makes progress. Many survivors are quite intelligent but have not been able to fully “claim” their brainpower. Some have been told they are “too intellectual” by treatment providers. This can be re-traumatizing, in and of itself. Engaging in this type of cognitive work can open the door to emotional expression because it leads to compassion for self. Finally, the client may be able to allow him/herself to feel and express the vulnerability and helplessness that the IBS guarded for so long.

Skills-based work, such as Dialectical Behavior Therapy is limited when IBS is not explained. Persons who do not believe they are “worth” applying such skills to improve their lives cannot apply the skills effectively and consistently in their relationships. Explaining and working with the cognitively distorted negative self-talk that keeps IBS alive, will enhance the use of skills-based work and lead to increased emotion regulation and distress tolerance.

Expressive work via art, music, creative writing and somatic work can complete the treatment picture. Allowing for a corrective and managed expression of anger is essential for those who have repressed their feelings since childhood. Many have witnessed only “over the top” rage and are afraid that expressing anger will lead to self-destruction and worse. A confident and competent provider of treatment can guide persons to safe and liberating expression. We are not talking about mindlessly getting “riled up” but a guided, grounding course of work that invites the body into the “talk” therapy and treatment environment.

References and resources
Film clip: Mrs. Doubtfire, starring Robin Williams and Sally Field, directed by Chris Columbus, distributed by 20th Century Fox, 1993

The Trauma of Everyday Life, author, Mark Epstein, Ph. D, Penguin Books, 2014

Models for Developing Trauma-Informed Behavioral Health Systems and Trauma Specific Services: An Update of the 2004 Report DRAFT Prepared by: Ann Jennings, Ph.D. Prepared for: Abt Associates Inc. Under contract with the Center for Mental Health Services (DMHS), Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)

Healing the Soul Wound: Counseling with American Indians and Other Native Peoples (Multicultural Foundations of Psychology and Counseling), Eduardo Duran, Teacher’s College Press, 2006

The Trauma Model: A Solution to the Problem of Comorbidity in Psychiatry, Colin Ross, M.D., Manitou Communications, Inc., 2000

Egocentrism, Jean Piaget (secondary sources) retrieved from: 

and 

Psychological Trauma, Bessel van der Kolk, M.D., American Psychiatric Press, Inc., 1987

Prolonged Exposure Therapy training, circa 2013, retrieved from: 

Film image: Leaving Las Vegas, starring Nicholas Cage and Elizabeth Shue, directed by Mike Figgis, distributed by United Artists, 1995

Song: I’m A Loser, Lennon & McCartney, performed by The Beatles, on Parlophone: Beatles for Sale: UK/Capitol Records: Beatles ’65 US, produced by Sir George Martin, published by Northern Songs, 1964

Film image: Inside/Out, directed by Pete Docter and Ronnie del Carmen, Production companies: Pixar Animated Studios and Disney Pictures, 2015

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@Owlunar If the above info is too heavy, let me know and I will have it removed.

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@Maggie

 

not too heavy an article at all..

extremely interesting..

need more time to read though

@Maggie @Owlunar @utopia @Appleblossom@Shaz51 along with any others whom might have responded and were not in the drop down box currently...

 

love reading varying perspectives...thoughts..

will respond when have more time..

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Hi @Maggie

 

This article looks excellent and I need to take more time to read it but I had a quick look this morning and I will get back to it later

 

It does two things - it affirms what I am battling to get at and also gives me more ideas - and thanks for including new information - the answer has to be around somewhere and it's good articles like that one that stop us from falling down rabbit-holes

 

Dec

Re: Awareness of Women's Mental Health

@utopia Heart

A lot of us have difficulty accepting praise when we are not used to it, but it matters to receive and to accept it.

Smiley Happy

@Maggie

Internalised Self Blame is a huge issue.

Eventually I will look at more recent publications.

Thanks

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Hi @Maggie

 

This is an excellent article and really to the point here and I found an answer to my question about low self-esteem here as well

 

.... Most persons who seek help for depression, anxiety, Post-Traumatic Stress symptoms and other conditions are astonished to hear that what has now become a “low self-esteem” issue was originally, the vehicle for survival. It was a smart thing to do and the only way available to a child. ...

 

I had never thought about "magical thinking" and that it was a safe thing for a child to do because the child has an invalid outlet for their fears which works for them - they do not understand as children that they do not have the power to affect the behaviour of the adults around them so blaming themselves made them safe - somehow they had a child's version of an excape clause - "If I behave things will get better" - as adults this doesn't work - it causes and bad self-esteem and this won't work any more and I would love it if it was so easily explained to me earlier

 

My mother used to say to me that I upset her too much - my unvoiced answer was that she was already upset and I had no power to make life worse for her - when I checked on this as I grew older I was told I had ruined a Royal Wedding. I knew I had no power to do that and said so but alas my mother still thought that something I had done was so bad it ruined the telecast for her - (invalid adult thinking - no wonder so many of us feel so powerful when we cannot possibly be)

 

And I couldn't resort to magical thinking either - I remember screaming with rage at my mother to try and alter something as simple as letting me stay home - when I was a teenager - that travelling in the back seat of the car on long drives caused my travel sickness - I wasn't doing it to be stroppy - I hated it and I hated the way she spoke to me but it was a long time before I was allowed to stay home when they went out for a drive in the hills - a nightmare for someone with travel sickness - I am sure other people identify with this

 

There is so much else here Maggie - I will run down a few comments and hopefully get back to them later

 

This is because, in adulthood, "IBS" is no longer helpful, but actually compels the person to self-sabotage and is a factor in symptomology of depression, anxiety and other conditions.

 

Thus, a pattern of thinking becomes a way of life, for many persons. Children may become adults who are always trying to be 'good enough'. This can mean the grown-up strives to be smart enough, pretty enough, strong enough, rich enough, religious enough—whatever the particular “enough” fits in his (or her) family!

 

Self-blame can grow into low self-esteem and even self-hate, especially in the case of persons who are victims of childhood abuse. The self-blame drives negative, self-sabotaging behavior causing persons to live unfulfilled lives and causing some to become hurtful to others when they become adults in power. [these issues] ... motivate addictive behavior, self-harm, unconscious seeking out of violent relationships, inappropriate caretaking (“codependence"), unfinished education, under and un-employment, and general unhappiness. 

 

There is so much more I can respond to Maggie - this is an excellent article and maybe too hard for some people but definitely to the point - thanks for posting this - I am really glad you did - it has given me more ideas to respond to

 

Dec

 

 

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@Maggie - a great article explaining self blame etc.  Gives me things to think about re: my own upbringing and my (negative) reactions now as an adult